Kohei Minato and the Japan Magnetic Fan Company
This article is from the latest Future Energy eNews of April 5, 2004, sent out by Tom Valone of the Integrity Research Institute.
The article on Kohei Minato's magnetic motor is one of several in the newsletter:
1. China's Voracious Energy Needs - How and where will China get the energy to maintain its economic growth?
2. Zero Point Energy Pursued by Two Aerospace Companies and DOD Agency - Aviation Week & Space Tech reviews the latest research efforts in ZPE
3. Wind Farms vs. British Air Force - Wind may lose out
4. Global Warming clarification - Study authors dispute NY Times viewpoint
5. Electric Vehicles get the Plug Pulled - Clean energy transportation no more
6. Cold Fusion gets a Second Look by the USDOE - It took 15 years before they
now consider it legitimate science
7. Minato's Magnetic Motor - Uses magnetism innovatively and 20% of the electricity normally required. Article uses the words "over unity" and is published on Japan.com
I have chosen Minato as it is one of the first instances, if not THE first, where new energy principles are actually being put to work in a functioning and commercially available piece of machinery. This is something many people who are following these developments have been waiting to see for several years now. Let's hope it is the beginning of a whole wave of similar developments.
The Techno Maestro's Amazing Machine: Kohei Minato and the Japan Magnetic Fan Company
by John Dodd, Japan.com, excerpts from japan.com/technology/
A maverick inventor's breakthrough electric motor uses permanent magnets to make power -- and has investors salivating
When we first got the call from an excited colleague that he'd just seen the most amazing invention -- a magnetic motor that consumed almost no electricity -- we were so skeptical that we declined an invitation to go see it. If the technology was so good, we thought, how come they didn't have any customers yet?
We forgot about the invitation and the company until several months later, when our friend called again.
"OK," he said. "They've just sold 40,000 units to a major convenience store chain. Now will you see it?"
In Japan, no one pays for 40,000 convenience store cooling fans without being reasonably sure that they are going to work.
Nobue then takes us through the functions and operations of each of the machines, starting off with a simple explanation of the laws of magnetism and repulsion. She demonstrates the "Minato Wheel" by kicking a magnet-lined rotor into action with a magnetic wand.
Looking carefully at the rotor, we see that it has over 16 magnets embedded on a slant -- apparently to make Minato's machines work, the positioning and angle of the magnets is critical. After she kicks the wheel into life, it keeps spinning, proving at least that the design doesn't suffer from magnetic lockup.
She then moves us to the next device, a weighty machine connected to a tiny battery. Apparently the load on the machine is a 35kg rotor, which could easily be used in a washing machine. After she flicks the switch, the huge rotor spins at over 1,500 rpms effortlessly and silently. Meters show the power in and power out. Suddenly, a power source of 16 watt or so is driving a device that should be drawing at least 200 to 300 watts.
Nobue explains to us that this and all the other devices only use electrical power for the two electromagnetic stators at either side of each rotor, which are used to kick the rotor past its lockup point then on to the next arc of magnets. Apparently the angle and spacing of the magnets is such that once the rotor is moving, repulsion between the stators and the rotor poles keeps the rotor moving smoothly in a counterclockwise direction. Either way, it's impressive.
Next we move to a unit with its motor connected to a generator. What we see is striking. The meters showed an input to the stator electromagnets of approximately 1.8 volts and 150mA input, and from the generator, 9.144 volts and 192mA output. 1.8 x 0.15 x 2 = 540mW input and 9.144 x 0.192 = 1.755W out.
But according to the laws of physics, you can't get more out of a device than you put into it. We mention this to Kohei Minato while looking under the workbench to make sure there aren't any hidden wires.
Minato assures us that he hasn't transcended the laws of physics. The force supplying the unexplained extra power out is generated by the magnetic strength of the permanent magnets embedded in the rotor. "I'm simply harnessing one of the four fundamental forces of nature," he says.
Although we learned in school that magnets were always bipolar and so magnetically induced motion would always end in a locked state of equilibrium, Minato explains that he has fine-tuned the positioning of the magnets and the timing of pulses to the stators to the point where the repulsion between the rotor and the stator (the fixed outer magnetic ring) is transitory. This creates further motion -- rather than a lockup. (See the sidebar on page 41 for a full explanation).
Implications
Minato's motors consume just 20 percent or less of the power of conventional motors with the same torque and horse power. They run cool to the touch and produce almost no acoustic or electrical noise. They are significantly safer and cheaper (in terms of power consumed), and they are sounder environmentally.
The implications are enormous. In the US alone, almost 55 percent of the nation's electricity is consumed by electric motors. While most factory operators buy the cheapest motors possible, they are steadily being educated by bodies like NEMA (National Electrical Manufacturers Association) that the costs of running a motor over a typical 20-year lifespan comprise a purchase price of just 3 percent of the total, and electricity costs of 97 percent. It is not unusual for a $2,000 motor to consume $80,000 of electricity (at a price of 6 cents per kilowatt hour).
Since 1992, when efficiency legislation was put into place at the US federal level, motor efficiency has been a high priority -- and motors saving 20 percent or so on electrical bills are considered highly efficient. Minato is about to introduce a motor which saves 80 percent, putting it into an entirely new class: The $80,000 running cost will drop to just $16,000. This is a significant savings when multiplied by the millions of motors used throughout the USA and Japan -- and eventually, throughout the world.
The devices
Minato's invention and its ability to use remarkably less power and run without heat or noise make it perfect for home appliances, personal computers, cellphones (a miniature generator is in the works) and other consumer products.
The magnetic motor will be cheaper than a standard motor to make, as the rotor and stator assemblies can be set into plastic housings, due to the fact that the system creates very little heat. Further, with the motor's energy efficiency, it will be well suited for any application where a motor has limited energy to drive it. While development is still focused on replacing existing devices, Minato says that his motor has sufficient torque to power a vehicle.
With the help of magnetic propulsion, it is feasible to attach a generator to the motor and produce more electric power than was put into the device. Minato says that average efficiency on his motors is about 330 percent.
Mention of Over Unity devices in many scientific circles will draw icy skepticism. But if you can accept the idea that Minato's device is able to create motion and torque through its unique, sustainable permanent magnet propulsion system, then it makes sense that he is able to get more out of the unit than he puts in in terms of elctrical power. Indeed, if the device can produce a surplus of power for longer periods, every household in the land will want one.
"I am not in this for the money," Minato says. "I have done well in my musical career, but I want to make a contribution to society -- helping the backstreet manufacturers here in Japan and elsewhere. I want to reverse the trends caused by major multinationals. There is a place for corporations. But as the oil industry has taught us, energy is one area where a breakthrough invention like this cannot be trusted to large companies."
Minato was once close to making a deal with Enron. But today, he is firmly on a mission to support the small and the independent -- and to go worldwide with them and his amazing machine. "Our plan is to rally smaller companies and pool their talent, and to one day produce the technology across a wide range of fields."
Guest Commentary to Minato article added by Integrity Research Institute (thanks to ZPEnergy.com)
Kohei Minato has been working in this field for many years. I have no reason to doubt the facts presented in this story, which appeared March 12, 2004. It is a remarkable and important achievement.
First, it will begin to overcome doubt that such technology is possible. His success brings a degree of credibility. Second, it insures that this type of technology cannot be surpressed. His patents have long been in print in many countries, including the U.S. (See #5,594,289, and #4,751,486*). Third, it will draw attention. He is a consummate showman as well as a brilliant inventor.
Some will object that since the motors are not self-powered, the system is not over unity. Obviously, self-powered devices leave no room for that argument, and are therefore the ultimate proof. However, Minato is not an engineer by training. Self-powering such a device is much more complex an engineering challenge than it seems to those unfamiliar with the complexities involved.
He believes the magnets are the source of the energy in his system. In reality, he is probably tapping Zero Point (Vacuum) Energy and this renewable, inexhaustible, resource prevents demagnetization.
No less a physicist than Werner Heisenberg once stated he believed: “We could utilize magnetism as an energy source”.
Although at first it is likely to be ridiculed by most scientists and engineers, it seems to me likely that in time Minato’s achievement will be widely accepted.
Mark Goldes, mrb@ap.net
Magnetic Power Inc.
Integrity Research Institute - IRI recommends visiting the European Patent Office website which is more user-friendly than the USPTO to view patents. Enter "US5594289" for example in the box labeled "Publication Number"
Related:
For centuries, inventors have been claiming to come up with magnetic motor designs that use nothing more than the power of permanent magnets for the motive force; and for the same amount of time, mainstream science has responded that this is impossible. "It has been proven mathematically that no combination of permanent magnets in any arrangement will generate power." - History tells us that what has been proven in many people's back yards and garages does not always coincide with mathematics. Refusing to be daunted by what he considers to be petty dogmas of academic science, inventor Michael J. Brady of Johannesburg not only claims to have produced such a device, but reports that his company, Perendev Power Developments Pty (Ltd) is now in process of manufacturing it ( a milestone of producing "the world's first fuelless magnetic engine.") on a large scale for markets in Europe, Russia, and Australia.
High Energy Magnetic Monopole Sequestered by U.S. Government
Magnetic Power Inc. is Nearing Pre-Production Stage with Zero Point Energy Modules
Modules built with off-the-shelf components are expected to generate electricity anywhere, any time, for less than 1 cent per kilowatt-hour. One kW modules expected for market early next year.
posted by Sepp Hasslberger on Monday April 5 2004
updated on Friday December 3 2010
URL of this article:
http://www.newmediaexplorer.org/sepp/2004/04/05/kohei_minato_and_the_japan_magnetic_fan_company.htm
Readers' Comments
The Minato motor is great news! Having spent 5 yrs. exp'mntg. w/ mag-motors, I can appreciate. I have elec. gen. in operation w/no Lenz
reaction to mech. pwr. input w/output under load. Under review by Dr. Hal Puthoff @ Austin, Tx.
More later when it happens!
VEI
Posted by: Von Ives on April 10, 2004 05:12 AM
Quiet computers,
Long running RC cars/planes
Efficient motors in the home/workplace = low polution/low electicity bills
Electric Cars?
The possibilities are endless
Posted by: Jon Nowacki on April 15, 2004 11:23 PM
How can I contact Mr. Minato?
Posted by: jay watts on April 16, 2004 03:34 AM
Jay - try through editors@japaninc.net (the magazine that has published the original article I posted).
Posted by: Sepp on April 16, 2004 08:41 AM
Purportedly the motor puts out 1.755 Watts while consuming only 540 mWatts when connected to a generator. This is simply bullshit. It may well drive fans efficiently but it CANNOT produce over three times the power it consumes.
Posted by: Jim Mitchell on April 17, 2004 05:35 AM
I am very much interested to know the capacity, sizes & dimension of permanent magnet that are embedded. Actually, I am working on a similar project as part of my research study of Aerodyne Repulsion Generator. Your response would be highly appreciated....thanks.
Posted by: Engr. Crispin Albutra on April 19, 2004 08:17 AM
As I said in response to a previous comment, if you need details the best bet would be to contact editors@japaninc.net, the editor of the original article my post refers to.
Posted by: Sepp on April 19, 2004 11:54 AM
this is amazing news. i had this idea awhile back, but never got anywhere with it of course.
i'd really like to see much more information on exactly how it works. but that will be a while for certain.
Posted by: John on April 20, 2004 09:44 AM
-Since the Minato motor produces more power than it consumes why does it need a battery.?
Just have it wind a little starter spring or capacitor for intermittent operation.
- Silly Wabbit, tricks are for kids.™
Posted by: chris on April 23, 2004 06:40 AM
Imagine the possibilities for cordless tools-a 2.4 volt tool doing the work of a 12 volt tool?-a 4.8 doing the work of a 24volt? Self charging? This could be the great equalizer.
Posted by: Lee B on April 30, 2004 03:10 AM
where did all the energy come from in the first place, i mean universally of course. Did it all just appear, until some pretty basic questions can be answered, ill be open to just about any development
Posted by: jaosn on May 1, 2004 08:43 PM
I recently read that . . . in 1998, Mr. Minato demonstrated at the Japanese "Energy Expo '98 in Mexico City his large unit, (4) connected 10 foot long units that can power 30 homes . . . . There were not any instruments connected to the large unit to measure energy input to output but his table top unit was connected and it showed 48 Watts input to 550 Watts output . . .
OK, that would be like 6 years ago.
Curious, If Minato's work was so successful way back in 1998, why the media is reporting he only just now got an order in year 2004 to supply some small convenience store fans, instead of the units that can claim to power whole house as mentioned above . . .
Something does not quite add up ?
Any clues or info. you can provide appreciated . . .
true_blue88@postmaster.co.uk
Regards,
Sochis
Posted by: sochis on May 17, 2004 06:28 PM
I am happy to hear that Howard Johnson's invention did not just die. I knew someone would eventually refine and get into production his Permanent Magnet Motor.
See: http://www.newebmasters.com/freeenergy/
Posted by: To Lee on May 18, 2004 07:05 PM
Throughout the ages there have been clams of more energy out then in by hundreds of inventors.www.lutec.com.au have claimed to have done the same thing and patented it 5 years ago but are still to produce a working model that even generates 1 watt of power.If there is no fuel then there is no energy.Law of thermodynamics.
Thats why gravity or spring machines do not produce perpetual energy.
A magnet is a lump of metal magnetised by a few KW for a few seconds.How can this tranform into megawatts over the life of the magnet?
Is there a new law that someone know nothing about.
A true free energy machine does not require a battery as it can power itself forever.
Until that is produced all claims now and in the future can be discounted.
Posted by: Kaz on May 19, 2004 06:09 AM
You can view his patents online... I just searched for his name ("Kohei AND Minato") at http://patft.uspto.gov/netahtml/
Anyone wants to, uh, verify his invention?
Posted by: Ahmed Fasih on May 24, 2004 02:16 PM
How can I contact Mr. Minato for possible investment? Please reply ASAP.
Posted by: George on May 26, 2004 06:45 AM
Some folks should learn the difference between COP and efficiency -
the overall efficiency of a system can never be higher than 1 (or 100%).
The COP is simply output (energy) divided by payable energy and can well be greater than 1: example heat pump has a COP of 4 to 5 (400 to 500%)
because magnetic forces are quantum effects and the atom as such not known in 1870 -
electrodynamicists seem to be of the opinion a permanent magnet on a turntable will not move this turntable when opposed with an equal pole of an electromagnet. Sure it will, its easy to reconstruct the Minato motor.
These are highly non-linear forces and because classic electrodynamics were trimmed to be linear (against the law of nature) our highly esteemed electric engineers being taught in the tradition of 1870 U1 Electrodynamics scream perpetuum mobile all the way: that makes as much sense as the whitchhunt of the dark ages:
no man will ever be able to build a PM, in other words, the applied theory (classical Electrodynamics) is totally wrong.
Posted by: Willie on May 26, 2004 08:33 AM
Willies little contribution is type of soft in comparison to this report
http://www.seaspower.com/goingtactical.htm
Posted by: interested reader on May 27, 2004 01:13 PM
I have searched high and low but could find any information about any convenient store that sells such magnetic fan. Does the editor of japan.com know or any one know where it is available for purchase? If this information can not be verified, the invention could be phony.
Posted by: George on May 27, 2004 04:08 PM
I too have been interested in the theories of magnetism, likes repel, opposites attract. As Mr. Minato has demonstrated, a self-powering fan/generator is feasible. I would like to offer my home as a demonstration site for Mr. Minato's invention. To further this I would like to see a generator built on the same principle, one which could be contained just outside of the home, supplying the energy needs for the home to be totally self-sufficient. A small hand crank could activate the generator, a few turns and the generator continues to turn on it's own power, producing energy.
Posted by: Keith on June 2, 2004 04:57 AM
Japan.com now has 4 videos available for download of the various motor types supposedly working
Posted by: Paul on June 2, 2004 07:27 AM
Do you have the contact details of the Japan magnetic fan company?
Posted by: Tanyanan on June 2, 2004 10:04 PM
I would just like to say how incredibly happy I am to hear of this absolutely awesome discovery. This is for Mr. Nobue Minato, you are a freakin genius and... thank you.
Posted by: Adam on June 10, 2004 06:00 PM
Could you please forward the contact details of the Japan Magnetic Fan Company.
Posted by: Gavin on June 15, 2004 11:20 AM
Unfortunately I don't have contact details, but I saw that Nexus Magazine has a good size article about Minato and his company in their latest issue (not on the internet but you can find Nexus at some newsstands in many countries).
Posted by: Sepp on June 15, 2004 03:44 PM
The contact information that I have is a mailing address taken off of his pattent from 1997.(8894289)
Kohei Minato, No.901,28-20, 4-Chome, Yotsuya, Shinjuku, Tokyo, Japan
Posted by: Cliff on June 17, 2004 03:20 PM
Perpetual motion is neat... but I am afraid you guys are all in for a big dissapointment. Greater effeciency is all you are gonna get.
Posted by: Rick on June 30, 2004 03:33 AM
I'm amazed at how many people are so stubborn, and won't let themselves admit that something outside their Narrow Little Minds might Actually, Possibly, be Possible. Yes of course it's possible ! If you go into electronics & other similar fields, and add the X-factor - a power source from something else ie: magnetism that draws energy from the Earth we live on, you would see that it Would be possible if done correctly. "Why does it need a battery" some people say... I imaging as an initial field source to give the motor it's twisting field to create motion (in basic lay-mans term), just as a conventional electric motor uses a "Start" winding. Taking some of the extra power given out (configured as a generating source), this could then take over from the battery. Anyone ever heard of a "Metadyne generator" ? Part of the enerygy is fed back into various coils to negate normal (destructive) eddy currents etc to make it more efficient. -> Mentioned simply from the point of view that there are many things that the ordinary person would never think of in a million years. GROW UP PEOPLE ! It was only a matter of time before something like this came along. With further time, I'm sure he'll design a configuration that uses another permanant magnet to create the field twist, thus not needing any additional power source - although this gives rise to (minor) Mechanical design problems, to do with how to use the config with regard to speed/force control of the motor. I'm sure it's not that difficult to work out. Once you open the box............
Posted by: Jeff Bunting, NZ on July 2, 2004 10:26 AM
I have a design of a magnetic motor from what I believe is a Westinghouse/Stanford project in 1967. I am seeking mechanically or financially inclined persons interested in creating a prototype. It seems a simple device. If you would like to see a photo, plase email me.
Jeremy
Posted by: Jeremy Lynes on July 4, 2004 02:49 AM
For the dumbasses who think this is fake, see his US patents here:
http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&u=%2Fnetahtml%2Fsearch-adv.htm&r=0&p=1&f=S&l=50&Query=in%2Fminato+and+kohei&d=ptxt
Posted by: Tar on July 8, 2004 09:21 PM
I too have a degree in electrical engineering. There are a lot of people who see the "laws" of thermodynamics (etc.) as a constant universal truth. In truth, these laws were constructed by us... the only universal truth is what actually happens. Over my career, i have discovered that we have just begun to scratch the surface of what is possible... it's unfortunate that some people see the current state of our understanding of physics to be set in stone.
Posted by: Blaino on July 13, 2004 05:30 AM
"Purportedly the motor puts out 1.755 Watts while consuming only 540 mWatts when connected to a generator. This is simply bullshit."
Sure it can, as long as your electrodynamics model isn't 50+ years behind the QM/QF models that most real physicists have embraced.
What's bullshit is that the quantum vacuum is inert or "empty". In fact, it's seething with energy that can be accessed. All dipoles do it. We just haven't grasped how to exploit it properly. Someone like Myron Evans will figure out the theory eventually. In the meantime, thank God that Minato might get commercial applications jump started. He might, in retrospect, turn out to be the key dreamer who saved civilization from the total chaos that may erupt when oil production peaks and starts to decline--in less than 10 years if worldwide Hubbert's Peak is as close as many believe.
Posted by: "jack" on July 20, 2004 02:47 AM
The energy of the Minato magnetic motor does not come from the magnets but from space, every point of which contains a huge hidden energy. The current physical laws are incomplete, because the contemporary physics rely on a wrong space concept. See the correct concept and you will be surprised how the energy is stored.
Posted by: S. Sarg on July 23, 2004 04:59 AM
Please remember that Mr. Kawai is the original inventor of the permanent magnet use in the motor. He has the original patent. His efforts were broadcasted on Fuji TV 4 separate times over 10 years ago in Japan. Mr. Minato was a helper for Mr. Kawai while he was trying to refine his concept before Mr. Kawai got sick. Mr. Kawai is ready and willing to implement his latest, improved idea in the US now since his recovery from his sickness. He filed a new patent application to generate more engery than input without any moving part, too. Since he cannot communicate in English well, I am writing this note on behalf of Mr. Kawai. Hiro
Posted by: H. Ochi on behalf of Mr. Kawai on July 26, 2004 09:47 AM
Hello, Mr. Ochi,
I remember reading about Mr. Kawai suddenly changing his mind to go through with an agreement to mass produce his motor back in 1996 in Huntsville AL. I'm sure if he wanted to start where he left off before there would be plenty of interested investors willing to back him if he has a new working prototype to demonstrate.
Posted by: Michael on July 27, 2004 04:46 AM
Since early 2001, www.btt.org/FREE_ELECTRICITY.html has been selling "signups" for hardware. Now, they are selling tickets for Regional Public Shows, and advertising improved models. I know of no installations. They are based in Las Vegas. I'm not saying the whole theory is bad or good; it's actually very like one I had as a kid, shelved around 1980. I'm tempted to dust it off, and compaire. 8)
Still, after a good number of years, there seems to be no publicly available product in any country at any price. If anyone knows where one can be had, or a specific design (not a general description) can be found for tech review, I'd be more than a little interested. In the mean time, I'll put my 'off-grid' fantasies aside and start constructing a 'lifter'; I wanna see it float!
Posted by: dusc on July 28, 2004 08:39 AM
I think it'll be easier to notifiy me with an actual email address. 8)
Posted by: dusc on July 28, 2004 08:42 AM
To Kohei Manato, i sure hope that this message gets to you!You say that your not in it for the money!and you want to make a contribution to society!So what are you waiting for? Here in Manitoba,Canada we would welcome your tecnology!!No doubt you will want MONEY for the plans!I hope within reason!So what are you waitng for!You simply show us the motor and the proven tecnology and we will manufacture them together!!
Posted by: Wayne Fossum on August 8, 2004 12:04 AM
Can someone please provide a lifespan analysis/discussion for the Minato motor construct?
EVERYONE -- THIS IS THE REAL TEST:
If it doesn't last, it's just consuming its own magnets.
If someone will intelligently and provably put this issue to rest RIGHT HERE AND NOW, the critics will have no choice but to pack up and leave...
Posted by: mthompson on August 12, 2004 08:46 PM
Because the motor/generator combination outputs so much more than the input (~300%), it should be rather simple to down-regulate the generators output and feed it back to the drive motor, plus have enough left over to run, say, an LED. Once the loop is started it could be placed into a plexiglass case with NO other power source, but showing obvious connections between the devices (drive motor, generator, regulator, indicator). With no hidden batteries in motor casings or elsewhere, the device should then run forever (until the bearings wear out or other such mechanical failure occurs).
Such a display of perpetual motion should interest many scientists (and museums), who should be given the details and opportunity to build one for themselves to experimentally corroborate the device (a major portion of valid science is independent corroboration).
Posted by: Just Imagine on August 16, 2004 10:46 PM
Would appreciate if you can provide the full contact of the Japan Magnetic Fan Company. Thanks so much.
Posted by: Stephanie on August 23, 2004 09:37 AM
It is really great!
How can I get the address and Tel.No. of the Japan Magnetic Fan Company.It will be highly appreciated.
Posted by: Shen J.C. on August 27, 2004 03:47 PM
JOHN O'M. BOCKRIS
C/O Patricia Schulz
P.O. Box 294
New Baden, TX 77870
Phone/Fax: 979/828-2160 Email: schulz77870@aol.com
August 30, 2004
Kohei Minato
No.901,28-20
4-Chome
Yotsuya, Shinjuku
Tokyo, Japan
Dear Mr. Minato:
I read your remarkable work in Infinite Energy Magazine, Issue 56, 2004.
I have thought of similar devices to those which you have invented.
From where does the energy come? What do you think?
I think: Insofar as a magnet attracts something, work id done and the energy must come from somewhere. Does it not come from the heat sink of the atmosphere? When the magnet pulls something, work is done and it must be that the magnet cools a little. Then, of course, heat from the atmosphere will come in to restore the temperature of the magnets. If my theory is not acceptable, from where do you think the energy comes? Or is it from Chi or Prana?
I look forward to hearing from you.
Sincerely,
John O'M. Bockris
Distinguished Professor
Texas A&M University (1982-1997)
JOMB/ts
Posted by: John Bockris on August 30, 2004 06:05 PM
If this motor really works, why doesn't he take it to universities and have it proven. Once the intelluctual community approves, it will be easy to sell it.
Posted by: Bill on August 31, 2004 04:14 AM
When will this generator be ready for the public to buy.Also where can I see it !
Posted by: William Trusdle on September 1, 2004 05:11 AM
build your own: http://www.fdp.nu/./thebook/default.asp
Posted by: eran greenburg on September 6, 2004 10:26 AM
Perendev is Tooling Up for Magnetic Motor Mass Production in Europe
Posted by: Jos on September 6, 2004 09:41 PM
Now into 5th month. No production or sales records for the 40,000 units. Hmmmmm. Anyone get the message?
Posted by: Smarty Pants on September 10, 2004 09:08 PM
I used to think that claims such as Minato's were pure, un-adulterated B.S.
Then I began to learn about the work of S.V. Adamenko (www.proton21.com.ua).
Adamenko obtains MASSIVE nuclear transformations, development of Super Heavy Nuclei, and direct conversion of matter to energy using beams of "coherent electron bunches".
The key here is that I've found some hints that UNDER PROPER GEOMETRIES AND INFLUENCES (particularily strong static magnetic fields) coherency can be induced in strong current flows in standard conductors.
How much conversion of matter to energy would have to occur, to create 50 KW for example? 1 microgram would create that for 3 months...
You couldn't measure or detect that in Minato's systems.
I'm therefore being much more careful in judgement these days!
Joe
Posted by: Joe Papp on September 24, 2004 05:23 PM
Being really simplistic: Using gravity to turn a water wheel or a turbine doesn't "use up" the gravity that's causing the water to flow. Using permanent magnets to rotate an armature doesn't "use up" the permanent magnetic fields either-- without regard to whether the armature turns a fan or a generator.
Consequently, the magnetic motor is no more an "over-unity" device that somehow defies the laws of physics than the water wheel is.
That it it is apparently capable of generating more electricity than needs to be input to keep it operating is interesting, and may require some re-thinking of current basic belief systems (as distinct from understandings) about the laws of physics, but a miracle it's not.
Posted by: Al J on September 30, 2004 04:50 AM
I am very intereste to know about mangnetic motor .Please any body let me knoe about these motors.
Thank you vey much.
Posted by: Henkie Limantto on October 4, 2004 06:22 AM
Al J, the problem with your idea is that a water wheel does not output more energy than input energy it gains from the water. It is simply converting the water's kinetic energy into electrical energy (at a very poor efficiency, I might add). Once you run out of water, the wheel will stop moving.
Posted by: Puhleeeze on October 4, 2004 06:56 PM
And the Minato motor uses the magnetic forces to induce kenetic energy which is turned into electrical energy. The magnets will not run out of magnatism (unlike your water wheel), therefore the motor will only stop if an outside force is introduced (bearings wearing out, etc.).
Posted by: SuperChicken on October 5, 2004 10:04 PM
Ah. . ! Well, now this is a pickle, isn't it?
Is Minato a fraud or has he been attacked by the MIC (Military Industrial Complex)? How can one tell? If I were a giant oil company, I'd pay the man off to shut up or, better yet, start acting like a fraud, or failing that, threaten him, and failing that, terminate him. --And there are other options. --There are so many things one can do with drugs and proven mind-control techniques! A quick abduction and two week absence could have the man piloting Boeings, for goodness sake!
One way or another, I really don't think we're going to see Minato's device go anywhere. Pons & Fleischmann ran into similar difficulties, despite the fact that after all this time, it is generally accepted by a large part of the science community that they had indeed discovered a valid thermal reaction in their test tubes.
http://www.spawar.navy.mil/sti/publications/pubs/tr/1862/tr1862-vol1.pdf
Is Minato the real thing? Honestly, there's no way to tell other than to go visit the man yourself and run your own tests. It's as simple as that. The fact of the matter is that our current model of society would much rather kill you than allow you to have access to a technology which could alter the power structure of the world overnight.
http://www.pureenergysystems.com/news/2004/05/15/EugeneMalloveDies/
The things they teach in school are lies designed to propagate the current paradigm. We all know this, but few accept it. It's a scary thought.
-FL
Posted by: Fantastic Lad on October 7, 2004 08:32 PM
I have developed a non-over unity device which draws energy from the rotational motion of the earth. This is not free power. Each time you place a load on my machine the earth slows down a little.
Posted by: Ray Brown on October 24, 2004 05:00 AM
Here's what I think is going on. Mr. Minato's device seems to be using pulses of current instead of quasi-continuous type of current that we see in regular DC motors. If the duty cicle of the current pulses is, lets say, 1/2, them Mr. Minato's motor will require an average current of I/2 and an average voltage of V/2. It would look like the average power required by this machine is P=I*V/4,but in reality the instantaneous power is P=I*V and the average power P=I*V/2, which is twice as large as it would look like if one is only measuring average current and average voltage.
Aleandro.
Posted by: A Macedo on October 27, 2004 11:44 PM
Maybe Mr. Minato is not measuring the power input of his electrical motor properly. I took a look in the patent description, and it seems that Mr.Minato's device uses pulses of current instead of quasi-continuous type of current that we see in regular DC motors. Most current and voltage meters will measure the average current and not the peaks. Let's say you are measuring square pulses of current with amplitude "I" and square pulses of voltage with amplitude "V", both with duty cycle of ½.. You would read in the instruments a current of I/2 and a voltage of V/2. You could then mistakenly conclude that you are measuring an average power input of P=I*V/4, but in reality it would be P=I*V/2 since you would be getting a peak power output of P=I*V with a duty cycle of ½. It would be nice if I'm wrong and that the device is really extracting energy from the atoms or from the atmosphere, but before it is put to a rigorous scientific test set I will remain skeptical.
Posted by: A Macedo on October 28, 2004 01:40 AM
Good Day!
Would like to be considered as a United States distributor, as I relate to Mr. Minato's approach very well, regarding 'new' energy without government or large corporation 'takeovers'. I relate to his history in the entertainment industry also. I was a provider of private air transportation vehicles (jets) to the largest of Rock'n Roll stars, Including 19 years for the Grateful Dead band. I'm currently a Jazz drummer and have been very interested in 'alternative' energy development for many decades. Currently providing customer relationship marketing consultation. Look forward to any further communique'.
Thanks... and the very best!
Michael Lofton
970-799-0602
mailto:lofton@ssfastnet.com
or
mailto:michael@customercounts.com
Posted by: Michael Lofton on November 12, 2004 11:14 PM
You are most probably right Aleandro. I have seen one of the videos of the test setup. He has a simple multimeter reading DC input current. Nothing to exotic.
A simple test of the efficiency of this motor would be to have a large capacitor (which could be recharged by a simple generator circuit from the motor) in parallell with the battery. If the motor continued to run more than a minute after the battery was removed I would be surprised.
In reguards to the MIC quashing this device... It made it to the internet. If it works it won't disappear!
Just MHO...
don
Posted by: Donald Nelson on November 22, 2004 11:27 PM
Minato's motor is interesting. Have you reviewed US patent holder John Bedini's motor or even the recently announced TS 2000 from GMC Holdings, video online at http://www.jagonline.net/ and press release at www.pureenergysystems.com
Posted by: Sparky on December 10, 2004 12:32 AM
People get confused thinking magnets create energy. Magnetism is like springs, but you can't see these springs, so when you bring two S or N poles together, you are just compressing these springs. One video shows Minato moving a magnet in and out of the field to make to motor move - no electricity input, but enough hand-powered energy to spin a motor (not doing any more "work" than the energy of moving a heavy magnet against magnetic forces). Fans can appear to "do a lot" because air is so compressible, but make one of these (or any) motors lift a weight or spin a dynanometer and you'll get the true output.
Posted by: Harold on December 12, 2004 11:17 AM
We are very much interested about Magnetic Fan and we would like to contact Mr. Kohei Minato, Please inform us about contact address, phone number, fax number, e-mail address of Japan Magnetic Fan Company .
Thank you.,
Posted by: Golam Mosihuddin on December 21, 2004 02:50 PM
Comrades,
It is only today that I have found this web site. What a pity. Because what sets this site apart from others is that we do not just have articles, but we also have the chance to write and read comments.
I just wanted to make a comment pertaining to Minato's magnet engines: I, too, have been very much interested in it. And I believed that this, or something of the like, would come up at our "provincial convention for the planning of long term energy policy."
Guess what....
I believe that Mr. Minato's engine is fully operational, moreover that the potential benefit transcends those commented on.
But, as another comrade has already mentioned: it is some similar principle as the Kawai engine. ...and Mr. Kawai did not JUST change his mind to not market it. He was "convinced" not to do it just hours before the deal was to be signed.
If anyone has any information on Mr. Minato's "status" pertaining to his two patents, or if anyone has all four of the movie demonstrations, pray let me know so we can exchange "info".
Happy New Year,
Alex
Posted by: Alex on January 1, 2005 09:07 PM
I are very much interested about Magnetic Fan and I would like to contact Mr. Kohei Minato, Please inform me about his contact address, phone number, fax number, e-mail address of Japan Magnetic Fan Company .
Thank you very much.
Power Without Limit. PWL
Posted by: Bill on January 8, 2005 09:45 PM
Would like to hear from others who are working with electric engines. I live in Texas.
Posted by: Roy Jones on January 14, 2005 06:56 PM
Ladies & Gentlemen:
Just like to throw out a few observations having studied both Brady's (Perendev) and Minato's designs for magnetic motors:
1) Minato is a muscian turned inventor. Minato seems to lean more toward press releases and cultivation of investors - - i.e. send more money, rather than offering for sale to any buyer individual units ready to power little fans much less entire houses. The 1997 Minato wheel was free of electrical input. Both of Minato's patents require electrical input and therefore draw more fire from skeptics. In my opinion Minato's patents and all his recent designs are his fantasy to try and make others believe his work is fully patent protected. However, recently the Electronic Freedom Foundation revealed statistics that show that 70% of patents are successfully reversed upon challenge. I personally received an email from a guy claiming to be Minato pandering for investment money after I refused to answer his junior team members (I specifically asked for a demo unit to show a group of angel investors). Why has Minato claimed he was producing a unit ready to power a whole house at his exhibition in Mexico City yet now 8 years later there still is no prototype ? And why are not individual units available yet to anyone who wants one ? Go to http://fdp.nu/ and read about how Eric, the site owner had his brother who speaks Japanese inquire while in Japan about buying one of Minato's motors in January 2005. There were no Minato motors in the convenience stores like claimed in the Japan.com article. Next, they called to Minato's headquarters and they were told there were no motors for sale (yet).
2) On the other hand, Brady of Perendev claims to have been working on his designs for like 30 years. Brady's designs have apparantly never required any electrical input. Brady has one reported defrauded customer on the internet which cannot be confirmed. Brady does not appear to actively solicit investment dollars on the scale as Minato has. Does Brady have any patents to hide behind ? I have not seen them - - - if you know of them please email me. Perhaps he is not wasting time with such bluffery. Brady's design lends itself well to mass production using cylinder magnets pressed into predrilled holes in nylon discs. But if it was all so simple as angle of magnets, triple staging and cylindrical ferrous shields around each magnet seems this design would have emerged in the early 1900's (even before rare earth magnets emerged it seems Alincos would have at least shown over unity if not serious power production). Time will tell if and when the Germans start mass producing his design - - - if so I predict his design will leave Minato in the dust.
I suspect Minato knew - - - or was advised by his attorneys - - - that his 1st Minato wheel without electromagnets was probably not patentable as it was already covered in
some form by historical patents - - - so I assume he switched to the
electromagnet add on to get something patentable. It is also possible that he added the electromagnet for autostarting/stopping only.
It's unfortunate that
so far it seems we have only seen PR releases stumping for investment
money from Minato - - - even Eric's Japanese speaking brother traveled
to Japan and discovered there was no such miracle motor in that
convenience store chain and Minato's group would not sell him such a
device either.
However, one thing that is starting to become more and more obvious is
that it seems that even though you could have the satisfaction of
creating/verifying a potentially "perpetual motion machine" - - -
that's still a long way from a device capable of producing significant
amounts of extractable power on a cost of production basis.
All iterations of Minato's wheel without the electromagnet we have seen
rely upon a single stator magnet held quite a distance away from the
wheel IMHO - - - I cannot see how that can produce large amounts of
power - - - and if scaled up to giant size the cost of building it may
exceed the reasonable amount of power you may be able to extract. One
way of looking at it is that Minato's device relies upon a "macro" flux
effect over the entire 180 degree magnet array, whereas
On the other hand - - - Perendev's device relies upon dozens and dozens
of magnets in what appears to be very close proximity - - - a
micro-flux interaction if you will, of perhaps each magnet - - - which
seems as though this could create much more thrust and extractable power
per overall unit size of device - - - - if Perendev's device is for
real.
Web sites:
http://www.magnetmotor.ch
http://www.zpenergy.com/modules.php?name=AvantGo&file=print&sid=1052
(this is a note about Butch LaFonte's group being stalled at verifying the claims of the www.jagonline.com guys)
http://fdp.nu/
(here you can see about 6 different videos of the Minato wheel - - - this is the mother of all minato sites.)
Posted by: Joe Scala on January 27, 2005 09:33 PM
how much for it ? and where can I buy it . could not it be so simply! ?????????????? please response at my mail adress skiet@wp.pl
Posted by: Sepp on January 28, 2005 12:11 PM
The real perpetual motion machine.
There's no free lunch...and looks like there is no free energy either. I believe the closest we will ever get from free energy is by exploring higher altitude winds. There is enough wind energy to supply the world's demand many times. Modern wind power industry is very young, and under some circumstances wind power is already cheaper than fossil fuels. Best of all, it is renewable, meaning the heat generated by the sun and by our own use of energy is transformed back into kinetic energy of the air masses. This is the real perpetual motion machine.
Posted by: AMacedo on February 10, 2005 03:31 AM
I build one based on an early Minato design, it definitely works! No idea of the efficiency, but there is a lengthy discussion over at
www.macaddict.com/forums/topic/46712/5
(link no longer active)
The URL is to the thread and another is to one of the .mov files I made of it working.
Posted by: reece_james on February 18, 2005 11:17 PM
Reece-James: the model you built didn't prove anything about Minato's design. Based on his patent, you need to have two plates to make a Minato motor. One plate has the magnets with South Pole facing out and another plate has the magnets with North Pole facing out. You also need to have two electromagnets. One electromagnet has the South Pole facing the plate that has the South Pole facing out. The other electromagnet has the North Pole facing the plate that has the North Pole facing out.
Posted by: John on March 15, 2005 02:09 AM
se possibile avere indirizzo e telefono di KOHEI MINATO
grazie
Posted by: Pietro Molinari on March 16, 2005 06:46 PM
Yo , amazing ... , would some of U be able to give me Mr. Minatos e-mail ? I would be very thankful . MV
Posted by: Marek on March 25, 2005 07:41 PM
Someone challenged Minatos motor efficiency based on how the input energy was calculated. But the key point is the output capability. In automotive industry, engineers use cylinder-deactivation technology to increase full efficiency. That method could use the same principle as the Minato motor. Minato let magnetic force to keep the motor running while the power supply is shut off. As long as the motor continues to provide the output torque, I don't see anything wrong with Miantos claim of increased efficiency. We saw the fan continuously turning and that's the indication of continued output torque.
With less input energy to achieve the high output torque, that is the increased efficiency to me.
Minatos invention is too important to be ignored. Has anyone built a real motor to verify Minatos invention?
Posted by: John on March 26, 2005 04:57 PM
Yo people , I checked internet almost everywhere , but I couldn't find the address . I'm stupid or something , can some of U guys send me his e-mail (if U have it) , my address is watcz@quick.cz ... thanks MV
Posted by: Marek on March 27, 2005 01:30 PM
I'd like to buy one of those motor/generators, how do I go about it?
Can someone tell me?, thanks
Alberto Estenaga
Posted by: Alberto Estenaga on April 29, 2005 10:33 AM
Hi !! I have good news to all
Last May 12 2005,in the present of many people news reporter, A Pilipino inventor Ismael Aviso demonstrated his FYMEGM motor estimated 2Hp motor running with 0.53 amps. x 12 volts Motorcycle battery with Flywheel load 150 kilos and another demonstration of his FYMEGM energy, He able to jumped 30 feet high a one kilo object with motorcycle battery or 84 watts Battery 50 times without discharging, He is claiming next demonstration ( if he get enough funding or donation ) He will run a car by his FYMEGM energy without gasoline and Diesel. Very soon his website will be anounce in the TV News in the Philippines
Leysander
Posted by: Leysander Duldulao on June 7, 2005 04:39 PM
this technology will be needed when we hit peak oil production soon check out these sites
http://www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net/
http://www.danmahony.com/oil_reserves_links.htm
http://www.danmahony.com/oil_reserves_links.htm
you have no idea how screwed we are. the population will decline to 500 mil by the end of the oil crisis. these are very credible sites the first was quoted in congressional hearings about the crisis
Posted by: rob on August 3, 2005 05:06 AM
I wonder if we ever see one of these devices in the market. I wonder if we as mankind deserve to have such technology. I think it works, as do other similar technologies patented within the 20 century. But, can we as a whole mankind ebnefit really from such a free available source of energy? If we are already on the verge of our self destruction, I guess the answer is obvious.
Regards Fellers. This is just another sign of the times we are reaching.
too bad.
Posted by: camitran on August 26, 2005 10:54 PM
perhaps the actual equations use by the academics are wrong.
Example Oerstead set up an idea - and had not time to test before the lecture - so the students were first to set it when a closed lop - a "circuit" made for the first time. Took 70 years to iunvent and (thus) use the switch
So when academia says.....
Maybe he is corect - have yet to access his patents - even then those filled with legalised jingoistic nonsense
Posted by: crazy david on September 2, 2005 12:41 PM
its been one two years april 10/04 to date
,we talk about it!
BUT
were is it??
talking about it , were in the hell is the product??
if it works,
, I dont need to belive ,need to see it .
Posted by: daniel on October 17, 2005 12:41 AM
Well, I'm still trying to know when will I be able to buy a Minato motor/generator.
So far nothing more was mentioned in the world wide web.
Is it another con job?.
I'd like to receive some firm and honest answer.
Regards Alberto A Estenaga
Posted by: Alberto Estenaga on October 18, 2005 11:05 AM
i need koheis minatos email ASAP.
thanx
philfree
Posted by: philip b tatro on October 24, 2005 04:54 AM
Fan is $12. How much is minato selling his for? Hai.
Posted by: qwerty on April 12, 2006 05:56 AM
Hello Mr./ Ms. Minato,
If you are reading this then I offer you a million just for the design & prototype. The only requirement is that it should be an over-unity machine or it should be a free-energy producing machine.
If mr/ms Minato does not respond to this mail then I would suggest that any further discussion about Minato would be just a waste of time and simply amount to wishful thinking !
So dear readers just wait for him/her to respond with some solid proof.
Regards,
Dhinojwala
Posted by: Dhinojwala on April 19, 2006 10:54 PM
If one should take a lever as an example. A force is applied to one side of the fulcrum to lift a mass on the otherside of the fulcrum. The energy added is the molecular energy of the material used for the lever (which wants to return to a stress free state) and thus degrades over time thru the conversion of said energy into a force energy.
Ferromagnets (permanent magnets) do indeed lose energy over time; however this occurs over such a long period of time that for all purposes may as well be considered to be a loss of "0". This practise can be observed in the use of Bernoulli's equation when applied to a system with a large reservoir of water for example (altho in this case the velocity of the water is said to be "0" eventhough it does have a velocity).
As for Minato's device; there is nothing in the laws of Physics thats says one force of nature cannot be added to another force of nature in order to harness more energy. This is in fact what this device is proportedly achieving. Its not creating energy with no energy input "1.8 x 0.15 x 2 = 540mW input and 9.144 x 0.192 = 1.755W out". There is an input of energy here; the probable reason for this is the fact that the ferromagnets are dipole magnets and thus have a magnetic lock position to overcome. Energy addition simular to that of a lever is what is transpiring here, thus the input energy is simply invested to push the magnets in the rotor passed the magnetic lock position; and as the rotor itself gains more rpm the energy required to prevent magnetic lock lessens due to momentum. In regard to the angle of the magnets, I believe it is a design measure to increace to efficiency of the device, altho I cannot be sure of this since I don't a have a working prototype to analyse.
As to why we are not seeing these devices on the market is obvious. Lets take a hydro-electric dam as an example. Suppose a larger scale version his device was attached directly the turbines of the dam. The energy created would be 300% more with the use of far less volume of falling water than these dams currently use to constantly turn the turbines. For a business stand point, we have just flooded the market with energy and the price of said energy would fall drastically. This is highly undesireable from the business stand point since it would take forever to pay for the infra-structure of said dam, as well as effect the to bottom line (i.e. the shareholders profits over time).
Posted by: Baudwin on April 28, 2006 05:23 PM
Well its still there from 02nd sept 2005
Could well work - like many other wish to see, even better to take it aprt and re-build it - to understand waht is going on of course
As to applications many , as the physics - one known of possibility as the the maths of that physics - that been looking at
As to why no take up - THAT is absolutly standard
bye for now - david
Posted by: crazy david on August 4, 2006 06:42 AM
Es muy interesante su comentario. Aca en latinoamerica y especialmente en argentina se han producidos varios prototipos de estos motores.
Nosotros realizamos uno que tuvo exito. Pero la carencia de financiacion a retrazado su investigacion.
Posted by: elbio on December 10, 2006 08:35 AM
agradeço o seu commento. Esta agora un site especifico para energias novas e motores deste tipo:
http://www.pureenergysystems.com/
e
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Main_Page
O segundo site - wiki - e aberto. Todos podem contribuir.
Posted by: Sepp on December 10, 2006 01:44 PM
how much for it ? and where can I buy it . could not it be so simply! ?????????????? please response at my mail adress skiet@wp.pl
Posted by: kutakensior on August 27, 2007 07:24 AM
This is a scambag. Even without rereading middle school physics, consider this: instead of the battery, there should have been a simple alternator to power the PM, and so the lack of such proves this is a scambag and none more. how much for it ? - only your time to keep posting - how much is that?
Posted by: ehe on November 27, 2007 12:53 AM
John F. Wilder
11092 E. Trout Court
Floral City, FL 34436
Phone (352) 344 1806
Cell phone (413) 221-3650
e-mail address jwilder15@tampabay.rr.com
Kohei Minato Japanese magnetic fan co.
It is very impressive that you have sold 20,000 or more units and proved to the doubting Thomas's that you are real
Do your motors run without any electrical input? If so, how can I get one for demonstration purposes?
Why not use this invention to help solve our energy crisis!
How can I get a small unit that I can use demonstration purposes!
By eliminating buying foreign oil at the rate of $700,000,000,000.00 a year, You could manufacture an sell a lot of motor generator sets in this country!
You should be able to get government backing as you will be solving one of their biggest problems!
Don't let the oil companies intimidate you as they really can't produce and sell fuel at a reasonable price in this country and by reducing the use of foreign oil will dramatically reduce their prices for everyone!
japan_1.doc
Posted by: John Wilder on September 12, 2008 04:52 PM
i've tryed to put in for a patent and had no luck i'm happy to see you have got that far and but just recently had the money to aply for a patent an be turned down so good luck.
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