Are AIDS, Chronic Fatigue The Same Thing?

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A comment from Harold Foster received by email:
Sepp,
AIDS is a chronic nutritional deficiency disease caused by a virus (HIV).The key nutrients missing after long term infection are selenium, cysteine, tryptophan and glutamine. There seem to be numerous other viruses that encode of glutathione peroxidase like HIV. If one of these causes no symptoms other than these four nutritional deficiencies, it will cause an illness with the same symptoms as AIDS, but without the presence of HIV. The treatment needs to be the same, the four key nutrients. Some chronic fatigue patients, but not all, are recovering when they boost their glutathione peroxidase levels with these nutrients. Regards,Harry.

Posted by: Sepp on September 25, 2006 05:56 PM

 

From: DAVID WM. JOHNSON, MD)
To: AEMPMARTY, sepp
Subject: Are AIDS, Chronic Fatigue The Same Thing?
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006

I have read the complete article and feel that these people with possible AIDS without the human immunodeficiency or HIV. These people should be tested for the 8 types of Herpes viruses. These Herpes viruses will give the same sign and symptoms, and can be treated long term with antiviral agents. See below attachments. David W Johnson, MD

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USE OF VIRAL BLOOD SAMPLING IN PATIENTS COMPLAING OF FIBROMYALIGA AND CRONIC FATIQUE SYNDROME SYMPTOMS LEADS TO DISCOVERY OF THE "CAUSE�? AND "CURE�?.

David William Johnson, M.D.

Fibromyalgia has been diagnosed by physicians by the subjective complains of pain that the patient expresses during the examination and by the fact that the physician can find tender, painful muscles both above and below the waist, and since University and pharmaceutical research studies and publications have all stated that there is no laboratory or any form of diagnostic test that can prove that Fibromyalgia actually exists, it is possible that many are diagnosed with this disorder incorrectly.

Throughout the years, research studies have attempted to link Fibromyalgia with various viruses. One study may show a link to the mononucleosis virus while another researcher will show that it is linked to the cytomegalovirus. It has also been shown to be linked to Parvovirus B19. So, through the years, attempts to identify the cause of Fibromyalgia have been made, but each new study discovers different findings. Therefore, there is the conclusion that there is no known cause or cure for Fibromyalgia.

It has been my realization that Fibromyalgia is not caused by one or two viruses, but a multitude of combinations of viruses. I have read various studies over the years and also examined, evaluated, treated and worked with many patients with Fibromyalgia. It is my determination that the subjective complaints made by these patients are the symptoms of a person infected with a chronic virus. The muscle aches and pains, lymph node swelling, temperature changes with chilling that is often reported, digestive problems with irritable bowel, chronic fatigue, and a general feeling of being ill. In the last two years I have been performing laboratory tests on all Fibromyalgia patients for a combination of viruses which include: Epstein Barr, Cytomegalovirus, Herpes viruses, and Hepatitis viruses, Parvovirus B19, Adenovirus, Coxsackie B, Echovirus and Enterovirus. To my amazements my hypothesis was correct, each patient has tested positive with a combination of viruses, therefore, Fibromyalgia is not caused by just the Epstein Barr or the Cytomegalovirus. It is a chronic viremia that leads to the cell disintegration that gives the clinical symptoms of Fibromyalgia. Therefore, there is a laboratory test for Fibromyalgia. There is a cause for the symptoms and from this cause we can now formulate the cure.

The "cure�? should comprise of the initial prescription of Valcylovair or brand name Valtrex; Valtrex 1000mg QD. Alternatives would be acyclovir and/or gangcylovair. Once the viruses are identified a stronger anti-viral medicine which could possibly bring the viral load to normal levels quicker would be Valgangclovair or the brand name Valcyte 900mg QD. Other antiviral medications should be and will be considered after determination of the specific viral pathogens.

David William Johnson, M.D. Physical Medicine and Rehabilitation, PC
350 West Columbia Street, Suite 100 Evansville, IN 47715
812-425-2662 Fax: 812-425-3114 dwjohn@att.net

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Use of Antivirals in Fibromyalgic Patients Co-Infected with multiple viruses

It has been proposed that symptoms characteristic of fibromyalgia are the result of an interplay between a virus, or viruses, and their hosts' immune responses. Ten patients diagnosed as suffering from fibromyalgia for an average of 2.5 years were administered a combination of Valtrex (valacyclovir) and Valcyte (valganciclovir) (except one who was only on valacyclovir and one that was additionally on acyclovir). Laboratory tests were administered to determine their levels of viral antibodies. Of particular interest were the results of the four assays: Herpes Simplex Virus 1&2 IgG, Cytomegalovirus IgG, Varicella Zoster Virus IgG, and Epstein-Barr Virus capsid IgG. All ten of the fibromyalgic patients studied tested positive to three of the assays according to ARUP Laboratories ELISA (VZV and EBV) and Chemiluminescent Immunoassay (HSV1&2 and CMV). Half of the patients tested positive to all four assays. After 5-16 months of treatment with antivirals (median 11 months), six of the ten patients (60) experienced either an improvement or at least no worsening of symptoms. The HSV 1&2 antibody levels in two of these patients (33) were reduced by at least 16.1. The CMV antibody levels in four of these patients (66) were reduced by at least 17.4. The VZV antibody levels in four of these patients (66) were reduced by at least 10.9. And the EBV capsid antibody levels in two of these patients (33) were reduced by at least 13.4. These findings merit additional research studies to better substantiate the connection between the reduction in fibromyalgic symptoms and antiviral therapy.

Posted by: DAVID WM. JOHNSON, MD on September 29, 2006 09:51 AM

 

emailed comment from Steve Z.:
Sepp,
You may have missed the articles which I distributed.
To summarize; AIDS is a concoction which comprises Mycoplasma Fermentans, injected with the Visna virus, plus an accelerant. Dependent upon the potency which a subject encounters, the illness will vary in intensity from CFS, to ME which would be analagous to 10 to the 9'th power, to full-blown AIDS which would be 10 to the 10'th power.

Distributions of the ME intensity were assembled in a laboratory at Queen's University in Kingston, and delivered via mosquito vector to the OTTAWA VALLEY AREA, AND TO SECTIONS OF FLORIDA, CAUSING MASS OUTBREAKS OF M.E.

Having researched the matter over the internet, I took Dr. Garth Nicholson's advice and cured my chronic fatigue by taking the antibiotic azithromycin for 7 months. My doctor agreed I probably had mycoplasma fermentans.

Regards,
Steve Z.

Posted by: Steve Z. on October 6, 2006 06:31 AM

 

I always approach this with low fuss don't I?
A few years ago I was being exposed to heaps of solvents plus chemicals like phenol and had repeated Herpes dramas, that has stopped.
The correct treatment to inhibit Herpes viruses is Lysine with Vitamin C and Harry Foster's Selenium ideas are antiviral for all infections.
Herpes loves Arginine....

This is taken from the Anarchist AIDS Medical Formulary 1992.
"In the absence of a competent immune system, lipid-coated viruses have greater opportunity to invade and damage the immune system. A certain class of viruses, known as lipid-coated viruses, use a fatty coating made of substances from within the host system.
The viral proteins that would otherwise be recognized as foreign and destroyed by the immune system elude this defence by surrounding their genetic material with proteins and fats made from substances in the body not recognized as foreign, making their presence difficult for the immune system to detect.�?
These viruses use your left over debris to hide behind, cell sludge to make a coat.
"Lipid-coated viruses include Herpes Simplex Viruses 1 and 2 and Varicella-Zoster Virus (Chickenpox) the cause of Shingles, Epstein Barr Virus (Glandular) which has been implicated in causing Chronic Fatigue Immune Dysfunction Syndrome and Cytomegalovirus, a major cause of blindness and death among people with AIDS.
These viruses escape immune system detection by "hiding out�? in various cells such as B-Lymphocytes, Monocytes/Macrophages and Neurons (Nerve clusters), where they can remain dormant for long periods of time.
They can be activated by stress, diet changes, illness or sudden decline in immune status.�?
They then say "Conventional Medicine has been very unsuccessful in treating viruses in general, and lipid-coated viruses in particular. Widely used drugs for treatment are toxic, expensive and in many cases, relatively ineffective�?.
These are front liners watching their friends die and they are saying nothing works, then they go on to recommend "some natural and affordable treatment choices�?.
I'll quote the paragraph that sorted herpes for me.

Dietary Interventions
"There are some nutritional interventions which may help prevent the development of CMV and other Herpes virus symptoms. Viruses in this family have a lipid coat rich in Arginine, an amino acid. To make its protective coating, the virus must use excess Arginine from the host system provided by foods rich in this amino acid, including almonds, barley, beer, chocolate, fresh corn and many types of nuts.
The amino acid Lysine's chemical make up most closely resembles Arginine.
In the absence of Arginine, the virus will attempt to use the Lysine in construction of its protective coating; however, with Lysine, the virus is not able to complete this process and is destroyed. An increase in intake of Lysine, a very affordable nutritional supplement, along with a decrease in dietary intake of Arginine rich foods is believed to help keep Herpes and CMV infections dormant and harmless.
Lysine is available in most health stores and is generally assumed to be safe.�?

As for Mycoplasma it is not the cause it's another passenger when our immune systems fail.

"Mycoplasma incognitus is a recently described organism that was originally isolated by Shyh-Ching Lo from spleen and Kaposi's sarcoma (KS) tissue of patients with AIDS. The mycoplasm has since been found in selected AIDS autopsy cases in which there were tissues with unexplained areas of necrosis. Mycoplasma incognitus is now known to be closely related to Mycoplasma fermentans. In order to determine the incidence and distribution of M. fermentans/M. incognitus in an unselected series, we performed a retrospective immunohistochemical study of 42 HIV-positive autopsies from the Chicago AIDS autopsy series. One case (2.4) was found to be positive."
The incidence and distribution of Mycoplasma fermentans (incognitus strain) in the Chicago AIDS autopsy series: an immunohistochemical study.

And we all can carry it.

"Thus, it was suggested that M. fermentans colonized the mouth at the age of about 16 months up to the age of 19 years."
Detection of Mycoplasma fermentans in saliva sampled from infants, preschool and school children, adolescents and adults by a polymerase chain reaction-based assay

I refuse to be paranoid anymore. CU's

Posted by: Cal Crilly on October 8, 2006 06:13 PM

 

I need to mention hyperthyroid as this syndrome cross reacts with the HIV test.
I had all the symptoms but the doctors never noticed, I found this all later.
Nightsweats are one of the symptoms, so bad I would be drenched at night.

"Although there are several different causes of hyperthyroidism, most of the symptoms that patients experience are the same regardless of the cause (see the list of symptoms below). Because the body's metabolism is increased, patients often feel hotter than those around them and can slowly lose weight even though they may be eating more. The weight issue is confusing sometimes since some patients actually gain weight because of an increase in their appetite. Patients with hyperthyroidism usually experience fatigue at the end of the day, but have trouble sleeping. Trembling of the hands and a hard or irregular heartbeat (called palpitations) may develop. These individuals may become irritable and easily upset. When hyperthyroidism is severe, patients can suffer shortness of breath, chest pain, and muscle weakness. Usually the symptoms of hyperthyroidism are so gradual in their onset that patients don't realize the symptoms until they become more severe. This means the symptoms may continue for weeks or months before patients fully realize that they are sick."
Hyperthyroidism
http://www.endocrineweb.com/hyper1.html

Thyroid Disease Symptoms
http://thyroid.about.com/cs/basics_starthere/a/symptoms.htm

The thyroid is balanced by Selenium, Iodine and Copper.
In the third world because of low Selenium in the diet the introduction of Iodine into salt has caused an epidemic of hyperthyroid which has the same symptoms of AIDS.
The main problem now is with increased technology for testing and 100 years worth of Pasteurization brainwashing we now believe every symptom is transmitted.
My symptoms were rapid weight loss, night sweats, chills, fevers, my skin fell off so I had lesions all over my body, thousands of white blood cells came out of my pores, my sleep went down to 3 hours a night, I itched worse than Chickenpox, had nausea, ached, had the shakes, I was faint, had muscle weakness, my legs swelled to twice their size so I could barely put on my shoes.
Does any of this sound familiar?
I've left all the information on how I fixed myself at the link. (see "Cal Crilly" link below)...
CU's Cal

Posted by: Cal Crilly on October 9, 2006 05:41 PM

 

Thanks Cal,

for two very interesting comments.

Wish more people would get into research to maintain their own health instead of blindly accepting the experts' recommendations...

Sepp

Posted by: Sepp on October 10, 2006 09:01 AM

 

Crystel Waters comments (by email):

Karen asks if Aids and Chronic Fatigue Syndrome/ME are the same thing. I don't see how it can be. Children of any age get CFS/ME. Many adults have it and their partners and spouses do not have it. Most often CFS/ME begins with a virus. There are several viruses known to lead to CFS/ME. None of those viruses is sexually transmitted. Also recent research has shown that CFS/ME occurs in people with certain genetic malformation that leaves them susceptible to it. That is why several members of the same family get it. Seven members of my family have CFS/ME. None of our partners have it.
Crystel Waters.

Posted by: Crystel Waters on October 11, 2006 08:37 AM

 

Thanks Crystel,

I have put your comment and question at the end of this article, which it refers to.

Actually, what you say about CFS/ME could be true just as well about Aids.

Children do get "Aids", adults have it and their spouses don't. Several viruses are blamed for Aids, including a fungal pathogen (mycoplasma). Aids is not sexually transmitted (regardless of what we're told by the compliant media and dubious "experts"). Perhaps it all comes down to a weakened immune system from a number of pollutants, and certainly a genetic predisposition may exist for some people to be more susceptible to such pollutants. Such a genetic link has been found for autism, but it may well also be active in other illnesses such as Aids and CFS/ME.

Posted by: Sepp on October 11, 2006 08:54 AM

 

The HIV antibody test is completely random, if you test positive they do the reverse transcriptase PCR test or viral load test to check how much 'HIV' you have.

The problem with that is when you get a disease like cancer or arthritis, lupus, MS, psoriasis etc. our retroviruses come out and these raise the viral load because our own retroviruses produce reverse transcriptase.

This is contolled by Methylation and dietary nutrients like Selenium are needed for Methylation.

All viruses are affected by this so if you get an infection it depletes Methylation nutrients and you can look like you have HIV.

Herpes for instance....

"Viral DNA in the concanavalin A-treated cells (not producing virus) was found to be extensively methylated. By contrast, no methylated copies were detected in viral DNA from producer cells."

Methylation of the Viral Genome in an in vitro Model of Herpes Simplex Virus Latency
http://www.pnas.org/cgi/content/abstract/79/7/2207

It gets better, this affects TB too.

"Here we show that methylation of the Mycobacterium tuberculosis heparin-binding hemagglutinin (HBHA) by the bacterium is essential for effective T cell immunity to this antigen in infected healthy humans and in mice."

Methylation-dependent T cell immunity to Mycobacterium tuberculosis heparin-binding hemagglutinin
http://www.nature.com/nm/journal/v10/n9/abs/nm1090.html

They got it wrong 22 years ago and made us insanely paranoid about this, I now know folk who have been tagged by the HIV test for more than a decade and are not ill.

If you walk into any shopping centre you can see ill people everywhere anyway.

Tests are out of control.

Posted by: cal crilly on October 11, 2006 10:31 PM

 

Here is a further comment from Crystel (by email):

Thanks for your reply Sepp. Just one more point though. People die from Aids. No one has been known to die from CFS/ME. Another thing I wonder about is that CFS can only be diagnosed medically (in New Zealand anyway) by a series of deduction; by eliminating all other possibilities. It doesn't show up in any standard medical test. Only a Red Blood Cell Research Center based at Otago University does a blood test to confirm whether a person has Chronic Fatigue Syndrome or M.E. They look at the condition of the red blood cells.
Anyway my point is that Aids is diagnosed medically. It does show up in tests.
So with these two points of difference I'm curious what you can tell me about that. As an M.E sufferer, an holistic therapist and a researcher I would love to get to the bottom of the CFS/ME mystery.
Crystel Waters.

Posted by: Crystel Waters on October 12, 2006 11:15 AM

 

Hi Crystel,

I have posted your further questions as a comment again.

As far as I understand, people don't die from Aids, at least not from the virus that is being blamed for the immune weakness. The virus isn't present in sufficient numbers in Aids patients to directly cause trouble. The people suffering from Aids either die from what is called "opportunistic infections" such as pneumonia, from any of about 20 other "Aids defining diseases", or from the effects of extremely toxic anti-retroviral medication that is given to Aids patients.

Aids is not an illness but a syndrome, meaning it's a collection of other, previously known diseases, in the presence of a positive test for HIV and certain immune cell parameters. There are also Aids cases where no virus can be found, or rather where the test is negative, so-called HIV-negative Aids, which is what Karen describes in her article.

Even a positive test for HIV does not prove the presence of a virus. There is no gold standard, i.e. no virus can be isolated from "infected" patients, that the test could be validated against. It's all between Gallo and Montagnier, who claim to have isolated a virus (no scientific publication proves the claim) and who have developed a "test", the royalties from which they share.

What the tests find (both ELISA and Western Blot) is not "a virus", but protein fractions that are present in many people with compromised immune systems, including people who have a number of (disrelated) illnesses, or who have received any of several kinds of vaccinations, and even expecting mothers. Yes, pregnancy is one of the conditions that makes an "HIV test" react.

For more about the tests, see "Knowing is Beautiful�? by Liam Scheff and also the comment just above, posted by Cal Crilly.

So this Aids business is a real mess, and we really don't have many tangible things that distinguish Aids - especially Aids in people that test negative - from CFS/ME.

I might add that despite a lot of propaganda to the contrary, Aids is NOT an automatic death sentence. Many of those who tested positive for HIV have remained without any symptoms for years, especially if they refused to take the toxic meds and "kept their noses clean", i.e. followed a healthy lifestyle including good nutrition.

Posted by: Sepp on October 12, 2006 11:20 AM

 

It is simple people diadnosed with CFS/ME do not get given AIDS drugs, it makes all the difference.

'THE widespread belief that the latest drugs for fighting Aids are reducing death rates has been confounded by a huge study covering 10 years of treatment which involved more than 22,000 patients in Europe and North America.'
'Between 1995 and 2003, while the proportion of HIV-infected male homosexuals nearly halved, there were more patients with tuberculosis, probably among immigrants and refugees from countries where the disease is more common. Scientists have noted previously that TB patients can become immediately more ill when treated with anti-Aids drugs, a phenomenon they have termed "immune reconstitution disease�?.'
Anti-retro drugs fail to increase HIV patients' lifespan

I've seen this happening to someone recently snagged by the HIV net I've swapped emails with, they immediately started a hardcore regimen of potent antibiotics and they managed at least to avoid antivirals.
Their symptoms were actually asthma and breathing difficulties.
The doctors involved are fighting a war against our own retroviruses and the battleground is our bodies.

Posted by: Cal Crilly on October 12, 2006 06:44 PM

 

Sepp,
With regards to this article:
emAre AIDS, Chronic Fatigue The Same Thing?/em

Please find the a href="http://www.newmediaexplorer.org/sepp/aidsfunds.pdf"attachment/a containing part of the original document, uncovered by heroic information warrior William Cooper, on the funding for the AIDS project. I am hoping that you will be permitted to print the complete TRUE story about AIDS.

Regards,
Steve Z.

Posted by: Steve Z. on October 16, 2006 10:55 AM

 

From: DAVID WM. JOHNSON, MD)
To: AEMPMARTY, sepp
Subject: Are AIDS, Chronic Fatigue The Same Thing?
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006

I have read the complete article and feel that these people with possible AIDS without the human immunodeficiency or HIV. These people should be tested for the 8 types of Herpes viruses. These Herpes viruses will give the same sign and symptoms, and can be treated long term with antiviral agents. See below attachments. David W Johnson, MD

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USE OF VIRAL BLOOD SAMPLING IN PATIENTS COMPLAING OF FIBROMYALIGA AND CRONIC FATIQUE SYNDROME SYMPTOMS LEADS TO DISCOVERY OF THE "CAUSE��?? AND "CURE��??.

David William Johnson, M.D.

Fibromyalgia has been diagnosed by physicians by the subjective complains of pain that the patient expresses during the examination and by the fact that the physician can find tender, painful muscles both above and below the waist, and since University and pharmaceutical research studies and publications have all stated that there is no laboratory or any form of diagnostic test that can prove that Fibromyalgia actually exists, it is possible that many are diagnosed with this disorder incorrectly.

Throughout the years, research studies have attempted to link Fibromyalgia with various viruses. One study may show a link to the mononucleosis virus while another researcher will show that it is linked to the cytomegalovirus. It has also been shown to be linked to Parvovirus B19. So, through the years, attempts to identify the cause of Fibromyalgia have been made, but each new study discovers different findings. Therefore, there is the conclusion that there is no known cause or cure for Fibromyalgia.

It has been my realization that Fibromyalgia is not caused by one or two viruses, but a multitude of combinations of viruses. I have read various studies over the years and also examined, evaluated, treated and worked with many patients with Fibromyalgia. It is my determination that the subjective complaints made by these patients are the symptoms of a person infected with a chronic virus. The muscle aches and pains, lymph node swelling, temperature changes with chilling that is often reported, digestive problems with irritable bowel, chronic fatigue, and a general feeling of being ill. In the last two years I have been performing laboratory tests on all Fibromyalgia patients for a combination of viruses which include: Epstein Barr, Cytomegalovirus, Herpes viruses, and Hepatitis viruses, Parvovirus B19, Adenovirus, Coxsackie B, Echovirus and Enterovirus. To my amazements my hypothesis was correct, each patient has tested positive with a combination of viruses, therefore, Fibromyalgia is not caused by just the Epstein Barr or the Cytomegalovirus. It is a chronic viremia that leads to the cell disintegration that gives the clinical symptoms of Fibromyalgia. Therefore, there is a laboratory test for Fibromyalgia. There is a cause for the symptoms and from this cause we can now formulate the cure.

The "cure��?? should comprise of the initial prescription of Valcylovair or brand name Valtrex; Valtrex 1000mg QD. Alternatives would be acyclovir and/or gangcylovair. Once the viruses are identified a stronger anti-viral medicine which could possibly bring the viral load to normal levels quicker would be Valgangclovair or the brand name Valcyte 900mg QD. Other antiviral medications should be and will be considered after determination of the specific viral pathogens.

David William Johnson, M.D. Physical Medicine and Rehabilitation, PC
350 West Columbia Street, Suite 100 Evansville, IN 47715
812-425-2662 Fax: 812-425-3114 dwjohn@att.net

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Use of Antivirals in Fibromyalgic Patients Co-Infected with multiple viruses

It has been proposed that symptoms characteristic of fibromyalgia are the result of an interplay between a virus, or viruses, and their hosts' immune responses. Ten patients diagnosed as suffering from fibromyalgia for an average of 2.5 years were administered a combination of Valtrex (valacyclovir) and Valcyte (valganciclovir) (except one who was only on valacyclovir and one that was additionally on acyclovir). Laboratory tests were administered to determine their levels of viral antibodies. Of particular interest were the results of the four assays: Herpes Simplex Virus 1&2 IgG, Cytomegalovirus IgG, Varicella Zoster Virus IgG, and Epstein-Barr Virus capsid IgG. All ten of the fibromyalgic patients studied tested positive to three of the assays according to ARUP Laboratories ELISA (VZV and EBV) and Chemiluminescent Immunoassay (HSV1&2 and CMV). Half of the patients tested positive to all four assays. After 5-16 months of treatment with antivirals (median 11 months), six of the ten patients (60) experienced either an improvement or at least no worsening of symptoms. The HSV 1&2 antibody levels in two of these patients (33) were reduced by at least 16.1. The CMV antibody levels in four of these patients (66) were reduced by at least 17.4. The VZV antibody levels in four of these patients (66) were reduced by at least 10.9. And the EBV capsid antibody levels in two of these patients (33) were reduced by at least 13.4. These findings merit additional research studies to better substantiate the connection between the reduction in fibromyalgic symptoms and antiviral therapy.

Posted by: Art Kab on June 18, 2007 11:06 AM

 

it is a new kind of virus

i was infected for 13months

Posted by: love0452 on January 25, 2009 09:52 AM

 

Mycoplasma and fungi and candida are the true causes of AIDS and cancer. Cofactors besides mycoplasma are steroids and hormones usage. Autoimmune diseases are mycoplasma infections gone awry. I really don't know the cure but it is definitely a transmitted disease.

Posted by: chan on October 17, 2009 11:26 AM

 

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